Comments on: The Princess and the Pioneer http://femina.reformedblogs.com/2008/04/24/the-princess-and-the-pioneer/ Mon, 08 Sep 2008 10:03:02 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=wordpress-mu-1.2.5 By: voiletskye http://femina.reformedblogs.com/2008/04/24/the-princess-and-the-pioneer/#comment-56831 voiletskye Thu, 01 May 2008 01:46:42 +0000 http://femina.reformedblogs.com/2008/04/24/the-princess-and-the-pioneer/#comment-56831 hmmm, I like the idea but I'd like to remark that it is forcing the consequence, mainly because I don't agree with the narrow definitions here. Are we letting Disney Inc. define a princess? how bout the Princess and Curdie, the Princess and the Goblin? or any other really great-souled character of literature or fairydom (there are lots: remember that the real Beauty of Beauty-and-the-Beast was more like Cinderella). The Princess of the Past is a pioneer and a great lady in her own right. The pioneer - and here I fall into the same trap because I immediately think feminazi, uncouth Ma Kettle types here. So dismissing the princess model because Ariel has her moments of ditziness is just as wrong as growing up to be a princess "just like Ariel." hmmm, I like the idea but I’d like to remark that it is forcing the consequence, mainly because I don’t agree with the narrow definitions here. Are we letting Disney Inc. define a princess? how bout the Princess and Curdie, the Princess and the Goblin? or any other really great-souled character of literature or fairydom (there are lots: remember that the real Beauty of Beauty-and-the-Beast was more like Cinderella). The Princess of the Past is a pioneer and a great lady in her own right. The pioneer - and here I fall into the same trap because I immediately think feminazi, uncouth Ma Kettle types here.
So dismissing the princess model because Ariel has her moments of ditziness is just as wrong as growing up to be a princess “just like Ariel.”

]]> By: Valerie (Kyriosity) http://femina.reformedblogs.com/2008/04/24/the-princess-and-the-pioneer/#comment-55824 Valerie (Kyriosity) Mon, 28 Apr 2008 00:10:09 +0000 http://femina.reformedblogs.com/2008/04/24/the-princess-and-the-pioneer/#comment-55824 In that case I think I'll just steal your post for my quote page. But thanks! In that case I think I’ll just steal your post for my quote page. But thanks!

]]> By: Nancy Ann http://femina.reformedblogs.com/2008/04/24/the-princess-and-the-pioneer/#comment-55633 Nancy Ann Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:28:48 +0000 http://femina.reformedblogs.com/2008/04/24/the-princess-and-the-pioneer/#comment-55633 As I said, it was simply an offhand comment, and not developed right there. It was something like, "I have a friend who says that every girl is either a princess or a pioneer." I will try to find the exact quote for you. But it came from a book called Strong Fathers, Strong Daughters, a book that is very informative, and even insightful, but stops miles short of what God calls fathers to. The author is a pediatrician who has helped many young women who come into her office, so she has a closeup view of the problems young girls face today. (For example, she says that depression is the other STD among young girls.) She comes across as a Christian, but encourages parents to go to church, any church, Christian or not, because people who are religious have fewer troubles. And instead of calling Christians to pull their kids from the government schools, she lists all the horrendous sex ed they will receive from third grade up, all the immense pressure they will be under to perform certain sex acts, and tells dads they should be radical and masculine and be sure to meet the guys that their daughters are dating. See what I mean? It is still well worth reading so that we as parents will be up to speed on what is really going on "out there" and not be foolishly exposing our kids to it. As I said, it was simply an offhand comment, and not developed right there. It was something like, “I have a friend who says that every girl is either a princess or a pioneer.” I will try to find the exact quote for you. But it came from a book called Strong Fathers, Strong Daughters, a book that is very informative, and even insightful, but stops miles short of what God calls fathers to. The author is a pediatrician who has helped many young women who come into her office, so she has a closeup view of the problems young girls face today. (For example, she says that depression is the other STD among young girls.) She comes across as a Christian, but encourages parents to go to church, any church, Christian or not, because people who are religious have fewer troubles. And instead of calling Christians to pull their kids from the government schools, she lists all the horrendous sex ed they will receive from third grade up, all the immense pressure they will be under to perform certain sex acts, and tells dads they should be radical and masculine and be sure to meet the guys that their daughters are dating.
See what I mean? It is still well worth reading so that we as parents will be up to speed on what is really going on “out there” and not be foolishly exposing our kids to it.

]]> By: Valerie (Kyriosity) http://femina.reformedblogs.com/2008/04/24/the-princess-and-the-pioneer/#comment-55377 Valerie (Kyriosity) Sat, 26 Apr 2008 15:30:06 +0000 http://femina.reformedblogs.com/2008/04/24/the-princess-and-the-pioneer/#comment-55377 Mrs. Wilson, could you please post the original quote and source? I'd like to add it to my <a href="http://www.kyriosity.com/domesticity.htm" rel="nofollow">quotes page</a>. Thanks! Mrs. Wilson, could you please post the original quote and source? I’d like to add it to my quotes page. Thanks!

]]> By: Heather http://femina.reformedblogs.com/2008/04/24/the-princess-and-the-pioneer/#comment-55260 Heather Sat, 26 Apr 2008 01:59:31 +0000 http://femina.reformedblogs.com/2008/04/24/the-princess-and-the-pioneer/#comment-55260 Princess or Pioneer? Ow. I feel like a princess trying to be a pioneer. Princess or Pioneer? Ow. I feel like a princess trying to be a pioneer.

]]> By: Billie http://femina.reformedblogs.com/2008/04/24/the-princess-and-the-pioneer/#comment-55250 Billie Sat, 26 Apr 2008 00:52:08 +0000 http://femina.reformedblogs.com/2008/04/24/the-princess-and-the-pioneer/#comment-55250 "The ditch of the Disney Princess Syndrome"!!! I love it! Yes, with those haughty, immodest princesses gracing every item at child's eye level in the stores from footwear to toothbrushes to oatmeal, they come up quite often in conversation. We have watched The Little Mermaid, and the immodest dress and Ariel's disobedience of her father come up in conversation regularly w/our kiddos! Not to mention that Ariel couldn't possibly love someone she just saw and how out of order it all was for her father to play such an insignificant role in seeking out her husband! My son (just turned 5) blew me away yesterday, though, when he asked how Ariel sinned when she is not a descendant of Adam and Eve (not being human and all)! This of course led to a discussion of personification as a literary device... (personification came up the day before when planting blueberries and he wondered if the dirt hurt when we dug into it...) So, it is food for conversation. Maybe when they're teenagers, we'll pick apart a video on MTV. Or not. Anyhow... my daughter is wandering around now with a baby blanket atop her head, holding a dolly and pretending to be Mary! Funny you should mention that! “The ditch of the Disney Princess Syndrome”!!! I love it! Yes, with those haughty, immodest princesses gracing every item at child’s eye level in the stores from footwear to toothbrushes to oatmeal, they come up quite often in conversation. We have watched The Little Mermaid, and the immodest dress and Ariel’s disobedience of her father come up in conversation regularly w/our kiddos! Not to mention that Ariel couldn’t possibly love someone she just saw and how out of order it all was for her father to play such an insignificant role in seeking out her husband! My son (just turned 5) blew me away yesterday, though, when he asked how Ariel sinned when she is not a descendant of Adam and Eve (not being human and all)! This of course led to a discussion of personification as a literary device… (personification came up the day before when planting blueberries and he wondered if the dirt hurt when we dug into it…) So, it is food for conversation. Maybe when they’re teenagers, we’ll pick apart a video on MTV. Or not. Anyhow… my daughter is wandering around now with a baby blanket atop her head, holding a dolly and pretending to be Mary! Funny you should mention that!

]]> By: Crystal http://femina.reformedblogs.com/2008/04/24/the-princess-and-the-pioneer/#comment-55145 Crystal Fri, 25 Apr 2008 21:47:57 +0000 http://femina.reformedblogs.com/2008/04/24/the-princess-and-the-pioneer/#comment-55145 I love this conversation! We have recently discovered the ditch of the Disney Princess Syndrome. I had not thought too much on it, but it has come to my attention recently. I have realized it needs to be thought about and not done mindlessly. (Playing the Princess Role.) I am pretty sure that being a child of God does not look to much like Arial the mermaid. And though I am sure you could find some redemptive qualities, call me crazy, I just think there are better examples of Godly women for our little ladies to sponge up. When I think of women in the bible like Mary, (the mother of Jesus,) I see a pioneer for sure. In complete submission to her husband and defiantly trail blazing!! I love this conversation! We have recently discovered the ditch of the Disney Princess Syndrome. I had not thought too much on it, but it has come to my attention recently. I have realized it needs to be thought about and not done mindlessly. (Playing the Princess Role.) I am pretty sure that being a child of God does not look to much like Arial the mermaid. And though I am sure you could find some redemptive qualities, call me crazy, I just think there are better examples of Godly women for our little ladies to sponge up.
When I think of women in the bible like Mary, (the mother of Jesus,) I see a pioneer for sure. In complete submission to her husband and defiantly trail blazing!!

]]> By: Mrs. MK http://femina.reformedblogs.com/2008/04/24/the-princess-and-the-pioneer/#comment-55052 Mrs. MK Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:03:46 +0000 http://femina.reformedblogs.com/2008/04/24/the-princess-and-the-pioneer/#comment-55052 I love this quote!! I have watched two elderly women----and it can't be more obvious which one is the pioneer and which one is the princess. Thankfully, I have many pioneer women around me to insprire me to get off my royal hiney and get to work!! I love this quote!! I have watched two elderly women—-and it can’t be more obvious which one is the pioneer and which one is the princess. Thankfully, I have many pioneer women around me to insprire me to get off my royal hiney and get to work!!

]]> By: Alison http://femina.reformedblogs.com/2008/04/24/the-princess-and-the-pioneer/#comment-55050 Alison Fri, 25 Apr 2008 19:36:09 +0000 http://femina.reformedblogs.com/2008/04/24/the-princess-and-the-pioneer/#comment-55050 Yep, us, too. We also try to point our young daughter to being a daughter of the High King, Christ, and look at how (some) princesses work hard with humble and gentle spirits despite others' (those stepsisters') rude behavior. I also know (some) women who are such "strong" pioneers that they pioneer right over their husband! Maybe I'd have to read the book to better understand, b/c it seems to me that being so self-sufficient/pioneer-stong means that often we fail to submit ourselves our husbands, (and/or fathers, elders/pastors) and get an attitude of, "Well, what does he know? I've done this all myself and I know it better anyway." Any thoughts on that? Am I taking the analogy too far? Yep, us, too. We also try to point our young daughter to being a daughter of the High King, Christ, and look at how (some) princesses work hard with humble and gentle spirits despite others’ (those stepsisters’) rude behavior.

I also know (some) women who are such “strong” pioneers that they pioneer right over their husband!

Maybe I’d have to read the book to better understand, b/c it seems to me that being so self-sufficient/pioneer-stong means that often we fail to submit ourselves our husbands, (and/or fathers, elders/pastors) and get an attitude of, “Well, what does he know? I’ve done this all myself and I know it better anyway.”

Any thoughts on that? Am I taking the analogy too far?

]]> By: Billie http://femina.reformedblogs.com/2008/04/24/the-princess-and-the-pioneer/#comment-55024 Billie Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:05:18 +0000 http://femina.reformedblogs.com/2008/04/24/the-princess-and-the-pioneer/#comment-55024 Hmmm... this is a little different than our view of a "princess." I must admit, though, that we're probably the odd ones here. Our boys are princes and our girl a princess because we're all children of the Great King. But then, we teach that princes and princesses have more of a pioneer spirit! Hmmm… this is a little different than our view of a “princess.” I must admit, though, that we’re probably the odd ones here. Our boys are princes and our girl a princess because we’re all children of the Great King. But then, we teach that princes and princesses have more of a pioneer spirit!

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